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Tuesday, January 31, 2006

Marchers Decry U.S. Immigration Policy, Wall Plan

From the Miami Herald:
About 250 migrant activists and their supporters marched through the center of Mexico City on Sunday to protest U.S. immigration policy, which they say is racist and deadly.

Shouting "justice for migrants," the demonstrators tore apart a giant paper wall, a symbol of a planned fence along large parts of the United States' southern border, which the demonstrators say will violate human rights and cause more deaths.

"A migrant dies on the border everyday already," said Ada Omana, a migrant activist who lives in New York City. "With this wall, we are going to see more corpses in the desert."
Here's a thought, stop traipsing through the desert to illegally enter the United States and you won't die there. I'm sorry your country sucks dirty ass, but it's your responsibility to work to make it better, not depend on us coddle you as you illegally use our country. In short, it's our border we'll build a wall if we want to.


Gritsforbreakfast 1/31/2006 10:40:00 AM  

In addition to being queer and conservative, you must also be native American. Obviously you're one of the few Americans whose family never emigrated -- I assume your people have been here as long as the redwoods, right? Or do you similarly reproach your great grandfather, or whoever, for not staying in their own country to make it better?

Joe 1/31/2006 11:02:00 AM  

Go ahead and build that wall. Then have fun starving to death while all our crops die in the fields for lack of farm workers.

The wall will never be built, of course. The food industry will never allow it.

Kevin 1/31/2006 11:03:00 AM  

Hmm. We are all the descendents of immigrants - even the "native americans" who came here from Asia. You, me, Donald Trump, Geronimo - we're all native Americans. And yes, my great-great-great-grandmother was a Choctaw indian.

I have no problem with legal immigration. What I have a problem with is illegal immigration. The Mexican government uses the prosperous United States as a social/economic safety valve so they don't have to actually address any of the myriad problems of corruption and social inequity in their country. If we cut off their safety valve they're in big trouble. Hence their caterwauling about the wall.

That being said, I'm not opposed to a guest worker program where people can come here legally. Build the wall. Tightly control immigration with strict oversight of guest workers and harsh punishment of violators - including American companies that hire illegal workers.

The system is broken, and it needs to be fixed for our own security. The wall is a big step in being able to control who comes into our country.

Kevin 1/31/2006 01:08:00 PM  

Hey Joe,

You made the exact same comment when I posted about the wall previously. I hate to disappoint you, but the American free market can adapt. No one will starve to death, I promise.

Gritsforbreakfast 1/31/2006 01:25:00 PM  

It sounds like neither of us would be here if our ancestors had taken your advice to fix their own countries instead of coming to the US. If you don't have a problem with legal immigration, would you be okay with increasing the quotas to let many more legal workers in?

Thanks for your sympathies about my dog, btw, that you left on Grits. I appreciate it. It's a pretty rough day.

Kevin 1/31/2006 02:32:00 PM  

Grits - let's work on stopping the influx of illegal immigrants and find some way to deal with the masses that want in (in a safe and sane manner) before we open up the floodgates to even more.

Truth Is Stranger 1/31/2006 11:53:00 PM  

"The food industry will never allow it. "

Drat! foiled again by that dastardly keebler elf lobby...

Gritsforbreakfast 2/01/2006 09:44:00 AM  

QC: The only way to deal with it in a "safe and sane" manner, IMO, is limited amnesty for those here, and to let most of those presently entering illegally enter legally so they'll be documented, have ID, and the government can keep track of them once they're here, mulct taxes, require drivers licenses and car inusurance, and keep out those with serious criminal backgrounds. What else is there to do? Surely you don't believe we can enforce our way out of this, or forcibly repatriate 11 million people?

Here's my other question on this: When did US conservatives, queer or otherwise, become so reflexively anti-business? IMO, one doesn't really believe, at bottom, in free markets unless one also believe in free labor markets, which is what we're really talking about here. Don't take my word for it -- ask the employers of those 11 million. They'll tell you. Best,

Kevin 2/01/2006 11:06:00 AM  

I don't think validating the illegals who are here by giving them amnesty is the way to go.

I'd say, you can get a short (very short) term workers permit but you have to apply for it at a consulate in Mexico. So go home, get your permit and then come back legally.

Also, conservatives aren't anti-business. The cheap steady supply of illegal labor actually stunts innovation and keeps wages and prices artifically low. That isn't good in the long-term. Australia, which has no ready source of cheap human labor, has a more efficient agriculture industry than the US because they've had to adapt and innovate.

Shawmut 2/05/2006 12:11:00 PM  

Only 250 demonstrators and their supporters demonstrated in Mexico City?
I suppose there'd be more if they weren't all working jobs in the US or attending MS13 lodge meeting in Chicago, Boston and LA.

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