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Thursday, February 2, 2006

Random Picture Of Mohammed Post!

Fear not dear reader. Freedom of speech lives at Queer Conservative!

18 comments:

CurseMuhammad 2/04/2006 01:47:00 AM  

Curse Muhammad ... Satan's Slave and but-buddy ...

Muhammadan's Unite .... blow up yourselves in front of K'abbah in Mecca and get some virgins ....

Oops .... The virgins already have AIDS .... They like Anal and aren't butt virgins.

SGT Lori 2/05/2006 07:41:00 PM  

Good for you! I posted a picture of one of the Muhammad cartoons. Let FREEDOM RING!
Love your blog. Refreshingly honest

Marc Thomson 2/07/2006 07:23:00 PM  

If we really want to celebrate freedom of expression and the press, putting down Mohammed seems easy. Why not run the images of the sculpture "Piss Christ?" Or a cartoon of Jesus taking it in the ass by John? Or the Virgin Mary getting screwed by a Dove? That's courageous!

Kevin 2/07/2006 09:54:00 PM  

Uh, Marc, you do realize that all the images of Christ and the Virgin etc. have already been done dozens of times right? And that Christians, just sort of shake their heads, tell the artists they're insane, maybe ask futilely for some respect, and then move on with their lives. While Muslims on the other hand are rioting, killing each other, threatening to kill your fellow westerners, burning down embassies... Is any of this getting through? Probably not...sigh.

Mere Muslim 2/07/2006 11:31:00 PM  

Below are links to four new articles, from a traditional Muslim perspective, which address various issues which are being raised by the on-going Danish cartoon crisis. I hope that at least some of the self-righteous Islamophobes out there will have the courage to read these articles in detail--but especially the first one which is an exposé of the sloppy antics of Daniel Pipes:

Danish Cartoons, Double-Standards and Daniel Pipes

Hate-Mongers Beware...

Why Muslims Are Angry...

An Idiot's Guide to Offensive Cartoons

Enjoy...

Mere Muslim
http://www.MereIslam.info/

Mere Muslim 2/07/2006 11:33:00 PM  
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Anonymous 2/08/2006 06:39:00 PM  

mere muslim,i would have appreciated if u could have get to your point and not making me read a long article from some other bloke.a good laugh saves lifes.we should only blow up people with bad jokes especially the serious ones.
cheers to you queer conservative.think u take the piss in style

daphne 2/09/2006 03:14:00 PM  

Queer conservative,
Let me tell you what had "really happenned" when western art people wanted to express themselves creatively by producing movies, photos, etc. on holy mary & jesus? Does anyone remember the photo "Piss christ", the play "Corpus Christi" by McNally, and of course Martin Scorcese's beautiful movie "The Last
Temptation of Christ"?

Now let see what were the
"reactions" of the Christendom to those invaluable works of art:
1. In the case of Andres Serrano's Piss Christ: “The first incident occurred when 51 year old John Allen Haywood took the photograph from the wall and kicked it....when asked what he would say to the artist who’s work he damaged, he eloquently replied ‘...I’d just like to punch him on the nose....The next day however, two teenagers, aged 18 and 16, were to have considerably more success in their endevour. In an orchestrated attack it was reported one teenager acted as a decoy, kicking a print on the opposite wall which distracted the guards who rushed to subdue him while the other SMASHED PISS CHRIST ABOUT 8 TIMES WITH A HAMMER...THE EXHIBITION WAS THEREAFTER SHORTLY CLOSED. THE CLOSURE OF THE EXHIBITION...CAUSED DEBATE ABOUT CENSORSHIP AND FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION.” (source: http://renewal.va.com.au/artcrime/pages/serrano.html).

2. As for the play “Corpus Christi” by Terrence McNally, here I am quoting from an article by Michael Bronski: "After the Manhattan Theater Club announced last May that Terrence McNally’s Corpus Christi would lead their fall schedule, the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, a national lay organization dedicated to defending 'the rights of Catholics to participate in American public life without defamation or discrimination,' denounced the play and the production as 'offensive to Catholics and all Christians.' The Catholic League–never having read the script–screamed blasphemy in a crowded theater and it worked. THE MANHATTAN THEATER CLUB, AFTER RECEIVING ANONYMOUS THREATS TO FIRE BOMB THE THEATER, KILL THE STAFF, AND 'EXTERMINATE TERRENCE MCNALLY,' CANCELLED THE PRODUCTION. The lights dim as the specter of censorship and religious bigotry rises center stage. (source: http://www.zmag.org/ZMag/articles/nov98bronski.htm)

3. Oh, then there were those death threats against Martin Scorcese after the release of “The Last Temptation of Christ”. (Source: http://www.villagevoice.com/news/9823,goldstein,8963,1.html)

By the way, did I mention the firebombing of the Parisian theatre that Scorcese’s movie was shown in? Quoting from Wikipedia:
“On October 22, 1988, A FRENCH CATHOLIC FUNDAMENTALIST GROUP LAUNCHED MOLOTOV COCKTAILS INSIDE THE PARISIAN SAINT MICHEL MOVIE THEATER TO PROTEST AGAINST THE FILM PROJECTION. THIS TERRORIST ATTACK INJURED THIRTEEN PEOPLE; FOUR OUT OF THEM WERE SEVERELY BURNED.” (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Temptation_of_Christ)

So, here we go... Do I have to say more to prove you that how those civilized(!) Christians are good at(!) "tolerating" things that challenge the way they visualize/think about holy mary or jesus. Well, I don't think so ;-)

References:
“Art Crime - Piss Christ”. Oct 12, 1997. Available at http://renewal.va.com.au/artcrime/pages/serrano.html

Bronski, Michael. “Right Wing Nixes Gay Christ: When the First Amendment Fails”. Nov. 1998. Available at
http://www.zmag.org/ZMag/articles/nov98bronski.htm

Goldstein, Richard. “Body and Soul”. June 1998. Available at http://www.villagevoice.com/news/9823,goldstein,8963,1.html

“The Last Temptation of Christ”. Available at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Temptation_of_Christ

Kevin 2/09/2006 04:41:00 PM  

Gosh Daphne,

Thanks for letting me know "really happened."

I'm sure, of course, that you see the difference between the acts of a few individuals acting with no coordination and tens of thousands of Muslims rioting through the streets threatening Westerners, burning embassies, and killing each other.

You do see that right? Nah, you probably don't.

daphne 2/09/2006 06:02:00 PM  

Queer conservative,
Violence is violence. It does not matter whether it is done individually or collectively, by a christian or a muslim. There is nothing that can justify the "threats or acts of violence" (whether they come from a group of christians as in Martin Scorcese’s and Terrence McNally’s cases or a group of muslims as in the current mohammad cartoon case). My examples aimed at showing that Christians, too are not good at tolerating things that challenge the way they visualize/think about holy mary or jesus. The same holds for the muslims. They are not good at it, either. Because, at its root it is "all about an attack on one’s values and beliefs”.

By the way, considering the reactions of the Christendom to the specified works of art, it think it is a right to argue that "if a Christian deserves to be respected for demanding not to see a holy figure as a whore or gay, a muslim also deserves to be respected for demanding not to see their prophet as a terrorist". Your comment?

Kevin 2/09/2006 06:28:00 PM  

Oh Daphne my dear, there is a huge difference between random acts of individual violence and a rampaging mob. Also, the individuals you mentioned are shunned and rebuked by our society. The Islamists encourge their culture of violence as a virtue.

Asked The Daphster: By the way, considering the reactions of the Christendom to the specified works of art, it think it is a right to argue that "if a Christian deserves to be respected for demanding not to see a holy figure as a whore or gay, a muslim also deserves to be respected for demanding not to see their prophet as a terrorist".

My response: In a free society one must learn to live with being offended. Honestly, it seems Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, Shintoists, Sikhs, Jainists, Zoroastrians, Ba'hai, et. al. are able to do so. Muslims, not so much.

Would you change your way of life or censor your beliefs or actions in order to not offend a Muslim? What about a Christian?

Dreamweaver 2/10/2006 03:10:00 PM  

Hello everyone. Finally I've found a place where I can talk about this without fear of reprisals or censorship. I got into a big argument yesterday with one of my bosses about this because he was arguing that the cartoons are promoting hatred and racism and I was saying that its free speech. Let me tell you a bit about myself so perhaps you can better understand my position.

You see, I do detest, loathe, hate, the religion of Islam and I've been cheering for the cartoonists every since this story hit the airwaves. I am a gay woman originally from Iran who is now a Canadian citizen living in Canada of course. I know too well about Islamic fundamentalism and how it oppresses women, speech, all freedoms, or anything that we value in the modern world. I also have researched the prophet and his ways quite well and know what Islam is all about.

My friends, Islam is not the religion of peace, in fact as Iranians say, it is the religion of blood and sword. What does this mean? Mohammad and his family/followers during their reign invaded and killed, raped, tortured and beheaded thousands of innocent people in their quest to conquer other nations and bestow the wonderful religion of Isalm upon them. Case in point: the Arab invasion of Iran which not only changed our religion from peace loving and kind-hearted Zoroastrianism to Islam, but also led to the butchering of thousands of Iranians who did not want to forceably convert to Islam. How can anyone argue that the prophet Mohammad or Islam is an advocate of peace when once knows for fact the bloody and brutal history of this religion from its inception? No my friends, I'm not even talking about the terrorist today or the Islamic fascism which is alive and well in all muslim countries, but I'm talking about 1400 years ago when Islam was born. It truly was the religion of blood and sword and I'm sick and tired of Muslims and their liberal white friends defending this inhuman, reprehensible religion. Like communism, Islam must be fought with every fiber of our beings before it takes over the world. And friends, that's what they want to do, take over the world the way Hitler hoped to.

So I say, hooray to people who have the guts to call Islam what it is- a backwards, barbaric, intolerant, and inhumane religion that has been able to successfully brainwash a billion followers into thinking that it is a noble, peace loving religion. I truly feel sorry for anyone who is a muslim because I know that a lot of decent people have been brainwashed into thinking that their faith is a good one but if only they weren't so ignorant and blind to the truth, they'd no better.

Oh and by the way, I used to be very liberal myself back when I thought that I'd have to give up my lesbian membership card if dare expressed a conservative thought, but now I'm a proud, moderate conservative who thinks that the liberals will be the ultimate undoing of the west because of their Islamic sympathizing ways. In honesty, they are traitors to their countries the way that Iranian communists were traitors to theirs.

I think I've said my peace for now, and again, thank you for providing this forum for us Islam loathers to vent!

Cheers,

PF

Anonymous 2/11/2006 05:29:00 AM  

Woo Hoo Must at get drawing my "all homos are child molester" cartoons , should make a few poster size I guess for down at the gay bars around town.
Hey you think they ( the gays I mean) will help me put them up , they love "our" freedoms and all don't they? they will support my FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION wont they ?? Or will they collectively kick my ass??
I will have your support then to "Let Freedom Ring" right ?

emil donofrio 2/15/2006 03:52:00 PM  

If the west believes so strongly in "freedom of expression" why is it a crime to publicly deny the Holocaust in Germany? (If you claim you weren't aware of this, that is only further proof on how Western media conceal what is wishes to)

Kevin 2/15/2006 04:06:00 PM  

Actually, Emil, I was aware of that prohibition. Most western European nations also prohibit the display of Nazi symbols or paraphanalia. I think that's wrong.

That doesn't however justify the violence and terrorism of the radical Islamists.

richard osburn 2/17/2006 08:04:00 PM  

DREAMWEAVER,YOU ARE MY NEW HERO. I CAOULDNT HAVE SAID IT BETTER.. WELL MAYBE I COULD----FUCK MOHAMMED AND ISLAM

Anonymous 2/21/2006 05:45:00 PM  

queer-con,
first off, 'nuff said about freaking a little too far out regarding a few cartoons. doesn't make sense, its not justified.

back to quantifying the religious over-reaction discussion you had with daphne. angry mob... ever hear of the crusades? never mind, the church apologised for them. how about public lynchings? you're probably not old enough to know you would have been the victim. (i'm 28 and i remember news regarding violence against gays... from religious extremists)

had more to say. but, i'm losing interest. hmmmm....

one other thing for dreamy weaver: don't know what religion you are, but jews and christians to name a few have just a little history of blood, sword, and beheading according to queercon its probably just unco-ordinated random acts of violence compared to rioting, killing, threatening, and burning.

j.

Jonathan 3/07/2006 08:46:00 AM  

Check this out instead of just laughing at the islam

www.irespectislam.com

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